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Climate Change, baby!!
Posted on Dec 17th, 2006
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Katya
Katya
My organization is hosting the bi-annual GROCC conference Monday & Tuesday Dec 17 & 18 2006.
What does GROCC stand for? Global Roundtable on Climate Change!
I assisted this afternoon in the space these important people will be sitting in - the Exon Mobile's, the General Electric's, the President of Iceland, boys like that... clan boys.
Anyway, as we were gaffing, and getting everything ready for "El Roundtable", I asked one of the writers to put together a bulletted list at the end of the conference of all the things we can DO as people to CHANGE the impeding crisis. We have the data, but do we have solutions?
Everyone paused and looked at me. "Umm, hahahha." was the response.
It seems no one believes anything can really be done. I'm like "We're the EARTH Insitute, for cryin' out loud. We're dealing with the UN, with the African Millenium Villages. Can't we get real and actually offer solutions?"
But the answer seems to be more complicated. Its all tied into peace keeping and money. Seems if someone slits the lie lose, the whole thing will collapse like a house of cards... crazy to think that people really will go to war over water. That's something you thought stayed in Science Fiction novels.
The Bush administration is drilling for water on the moon. Yeah, NASA isn't keeping it secret, and I met the man in charge of the project myself - in an airport smoking bar in Colorado between flights.
He sat and smoked and told me how he is a mining engineer, and that the government is getting a team together to go up there and look for water. That was back in Feb 06, by now there's rock debris intermingled with water flying from the dark side of the moon like a dental tool against a tooth, and we ask ourselves: "How did we get here?"
And there ARE solutions. Most of them are governement policy. Most of them mean the rich have to stop getting richer. Most of them also mean that the majority of this uneducated mass must die in the trailer parks while sipping Juicy Juices and staring at the floating penguins as good BBQ prospects. Most of them require calamity and I'm not depressed!
Isn't that odd? We as a people will be tried and most of us will die. Maybe it will be in 10 years, maybe in 6 like the Mayans predicted. Maybe even the Mayans with land will have nothing to say once the heat dries their only food source.
There doesnt seem to be much of a solution list left. No one wasn't to say it, well maybe Al Gore, and our administration wants to keep us as bloody ignorant as it can - so that it can do its grand escape plan right under our noses.
Im not a conspiracy theorist - this is logic.
We have sacrificed longevity for comfort and boxed juice.
What to say now? We can go to the conference and listen to the talks and eat sandwiches made from sick animals and close our eyes as others close theirs.
And i will sit there and manage the slide projectors and power point presentations on just how screwed we are.
But I'm not depressed... I think our generation was born ready.
I just hope that we can do as many acts of kindness as we can before its time.
Because if the time doesn't come, we will have been humaine while ordering our coffee from someone who doesn't speak English very well.
What does GROCC stand for? Global Roundtable on Climate Change!
Anyway, as we were gaffing, and getting everything ready for "El Roundtable", I asked one of the writers to put together a bulletted list at the end of the conference of all the things we can DO as people to CHANGE the impeding crisis. We have the data, but do we have solutions?
Everyone paused and looked at me. "Umm, hahahha." was the response.
It seems no one believes anything can really be done. I'm like "We're the EARTH Insitute, for cryin' out loud. We're dealing with the UN, with the African Millenium Villages. Can't we get real and actually offer solutions?"
But the answer seems to be more complicated. Its all tied into peace keeping and money. Seems if someone slits the lie lose, the whole thing will collapse like a house of cards... crazy to think that people really will go to war over water. That's something you thought stayed in Science Fiction novels.
The Bush administration is drilling for water on the moon. Yeah, NASA isn't keeping it secret, and I met the man in charge of the project myself - in an airport smoking bar in Colorado between flights.
He sat and smoked and told me how he is a mining engineer, and that the government is getting a team together to go up there and look for water. That was back in Feb 06, by now there's rock debris intermingled with water flying from the dark side of the moon like a dental tool against a tooth, and we ask ourselves: "How did we get here?"
And there ARE solutions. Most of them are governement policy. Most of them mean the rich have to stop getting richer. Most of them also mean that the majority of this uneducated mass must die in the trailer parks while sipping Juicy Juices and staring at the floating penguins as good BBQ prospects. Most of them require calamity and I'm not depressed!
Isn't that odd? We as a people will be tried and most of us will die. Maybe it will be in 10 years, maybe in 6 like the Mayans predicted. Maybe even the Mayans with land will have nothing to say once the heat dries their only food source.
There doesnt seem to be much of a solution list left. No one wasn't to say it, well maybe Al Gore, and our administration wants to keep us as bloody ignorant as it can - so that it can do its grand escape plan right under our noses.
Im not a conspiracy theorist - this is logic.
We have sacrificed longevity for comfort and boxed juice.
What to say now? We can go to the conference and listen to the talks and eat sandwiches made from sick animals and close our eyes as others close theirs.
And i will sit there and manage the slide projectors and power point presentations on just how screwed we are.
But I'm not depressed... I think our generation was born ready.
I just hope that we can do as many acts of kindness as we can before its time.
Because if the time doesn't come, we will have been humaine while ordering our coffee from someone who doesn't speak English very well.
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Is it unquestionably certain that all the hype about climate change that's going on these days isn't just cyclic? I mean…there were significant periods of global warming after the ice age, right?
…I only ask because I've been hearing for years before 'An Inconvenient Truth' came around that the science saying we're in extreme danger is really…ignorant of a lot of factors.
…I still haven't seen the movie though, so I'm not about to say it's all just propaganda…but it just seems like the same sort of moral panic that spread across the globe when Micheal Moore's movies came out…and they were pretty biased…
It's of concern that so many seem to have just hopped on board with all of the hype, while there don't seem to be many people questioning the facts themselves…though there are many questioning the folks that the supposed 'facts' implicate.
http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/
-Rob
Rob, Global Warming is real. I did just read that article - very iteresting stuff.
It may be a variant after all.
However:
Right now, its about 60 degreesF in New York City on December 18th. That's a concern. This is the warmest winter in 1,200 years, and whether that's due to Greenhouse Emission OR natural Climate Change, does not really matter so much as that which may happen as a resul.
I live in Manhattan - an island surrounded by two rivers and an ocean…
If water temperatures keep going up…well you can imagine…
What I am hearing at the conference, however, is that countries are implementing some stages to be compliant with the Kyoto protocol. Brazil wants to be the first to instill certain anti-deforestation laws - ABOUT TIME, andt that the US Democratic party will be passing legislature relevant to Climate Change - whether that means charging for C02 emissions, or what-not .
The point is that its a combination effort, and people HAVE to stop emitting this much garbage into the air.
I think at this point its not a hoax.
Good to see you again!!! ;)
K
I wouldn't say it's a hoax necessarily, but I definitely have my doubts that it's not unintentionally mistaken. So much of the support for it that I've come across is based on computer generated models and such…and having done a lot of work with computers, I'm well aware that computers don't exactly consider factors that we haven't programmed them to consider.
Basically, it's very difficult to find impartial studies. Someone always has an investment in one outcome over the other…
…I just think at this point that the panic is unwarranted.
Of course we should do what we can to keep the environment healthy…but panic isn't the answer.
Also, it's unfortunate that the next US election might be won based on the issue of global warming when it might not even be something that we've caused or that we can even do anything about even if we did cause it.
We shoud care about the environment…but not out of fear or guilt, or because of propaganda.
It's an important principle to keep in mind…that it's better to build up than to fight down. A pro-environment campaign is very different from an anti-pollution campaign.
Good to see you again too!
Hope the holiday season finds you well :-)
-Rob
“You are so so esmart!” as the Latinos in my neighborhood would say. :)
Its true - the hype is real. Governments care a lot about all of this, and it may influence elections. I DO think, however, that its about time to implement limitations to emissions and create support for alternative energy projects - like solar power - so that we dont need to go to war and kill millions of people because we are “addicted to oil” as our Pres. would say.
Thats why I “no worry”, but enjoy being nice to people.
:)
Happy Holidays!
Katya, I love the humorous undercurrent in the way you talk. Ok. Let's say you've spent most of your adult life ignoring the needs of your teeth. A little flossing here, a five to ten year check up there. Your talking with a friend one day and suddenly your two front teeth fall out. Just like that. You look down and see them floating like small ice chips in your soft drink.(newflash earth loses front tooth in ice shelf debacle). So what do you do? Speak with a lisp until they can be replaced?Replace them with formica ones? Or just take up ice hockey where the gap is already the case? I think too many people will take up ice hockey. I know this metaphor is getting over mixed and thin. But Katya, what if by raising your voices you and others are inadvertently responsible for the ice shelf break? God help us
Ron,
I have NEVER thought of that. How horrible on two accounts: 1- its just horrible, and 2 - I didnt even think of that!
The problem is that you may be right. Our country is filled with extremalist Christians who want to destroy the world so that the missiah comes sooner.
I'm not even going to comment on that. However I do think it may be a large amount of people…large enough to effect how things turn out.
I think there are several types of living beings on this planet right now. Those that have been incarnating here many times, contributing to this mass ignorance and staying so themselves, and others who have incarnated here from other places to awaken others.
I could be completely wrong. But the human race is really a bunch of barbarians who have emerged from their historic bloodbath just yesterday. Look at my native Russia, they're still killing one another over timber.
Maybe its time this whole shit box blew up - I mean as long as we dont take the solar system with us and impact other planets that probably have much more intelligent life…who are right now smacking their teeth over dinner as they watch us, their ape-like cousins unable to share the cheese. Where's that crow to take bites off?!
Rainbows,
K
Katya, if I struck a raw nerve I am sorry. Of course I was being facetious. I don't know which is more horrible: that you didn't know this or that it's horrible. At the heart of every fundamentalist religion is a historical or otherwise spiritual leader to be followed with undying devotion. a prophet, a messiah if you will. For this level of consciousness it seems appropriate that the leaders or founders be compared to a kernel of unpopped popcorn. Just turn up the heat, shake or stir, and bingo, he's all white and edible. ummm.
But you are right about the desire to bring on the endgame. There's a card game going on in Jerusalem and it's not Texas Hold'em. As far as the fate of our planet, I do muse about what could knock some sense into our hell-bent low self-esteem and overall bad judgment. I always remember the old but priceless movie, The Day the Earth Stood Still
where Michael Rennie and Gort tell us to cut this shit out now or else bye-bye. Ron
Hahhaha, Ron, I absolutely LOVED it.
I still dont know what worse, me not thinking of it, or it just being that horrible! hahah.
What's going on in Jerusalem? I thought this madness was only happening on our soil? *gasp* has the idiocy infiltrated the “holy land” of blood and tears or was it milk and honey?
:}
K
K, If you look at a map, say a michelin guide book and read about the historical nature of jerusalem you realize that here is a series of cities, all called jerusalem, that have been destroyed over and over throughout the millenias. They are actually stacked upon each other like a ruben or dagwood sandwich. Here is a city(s) where Moslems, Christians, and Jews all worship and find spiritual solace in much of the architecture of the old city where historical roots for all three religions can be found. All three are braided together in a dance that is set to the music of each's vision of the apocalypse. As you said, in order to fulfill the prophecies, specific temples must be destroyed and specific situations must occur. Self-fulfilling. Certain texts of the Koran and books of the Bible indicate what is to happen. Kind of self-training manuals on how to shoot off your own foot. Ron
Maybe those that planted the seeds knew that the days would come that man would push the big red button that read “Don't Push.” Otherwise I can't see any purpose for publishing these kinds of prophecies.
A lot of future telling is possibility twining…if A then B. Well if we all impring that A -> B must happen, then we ensure it will, via our attention on the outcome.
Therefore! It must be that the world was doomed 3,000 years ago. Maybe the saw that our awareness was just plummeting.
My teacher always said “assume we've lost”, and he always had a smile on his face.
So even if the big red planet comes, all I can do is smile and keep my love going…
K
Katya— I guess another way of saying it is: assume the world is as it should be but do the work anyway. Yes there is definitely an algebra involved in discerning meaning and destiny from scriptures. What seems ripe for us now is our growing awareness of ideas from religions outside the three traditional. Recipe: hold the dogma and add a dash of mindfulness. Mindfulness is antithetical to outcome ideology. 3000 years of reinsertion of karma through reincarnation(or reincarceration) in the middle east in particular seems to make the energy there more dense by the day. Veangence keeps looping back on itself becoming denser and denser almost like a black hole. Eventually it will fall through pulling light itself into it.Bummer K.We're getting too morose.Let's toast our juice boxes to the new year. ummm. Strawberry-orange. R
I'd be lapping vodka if I wasn't on antibiotics.
I have the NYC flu for about a week now. Its horrendous.
There's always tomorrow!
Happy new year! May the middle east surprise us!