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Posted on Feb 26th, 2006 by Katya : The waker Katya
I bet most people in this network has a sense of a teacher figure. A lot of you have probably had Buddhist masters, some sort of system they followed, or maybe not at all. Well for those of you who have experienced the type of "devotion" Buddhism deems as the highest virtue to do the work of self-awakening, I would like to ask: When is it enough? Rather, when is the teacher and concept of teacher outside oneself get dropped? I ask because often times, being human, those diligent students like ourselves, tend to get entangled in the web of teacher/student relations. The lines get blurred, you get to know them as people, and still they remain on a pedestal of an intangible sort, one so hard to carve out of your mind once its imprinted, that it raises another question: "Do you trust yourself to find the way out of 'darkness?'" And then: "Are you in fact, in the dark?" I raise this question because I have been wrangling with all this. And I have found that through the dark times I encountered, through the feeling of "path abandonment" (where I feel that I had denied my "true" calling - yeah, as opposed to the fake one) as I left my teacher and granted my self freedom from any path, I came to a point of freedom. The path I practiced is irrelevant. The one tenet that is most important to me now is the one that states that even the "teachings" are an illusion. Which is where I am. I dont want a teacher. I want myself to allow myself to accept that fact that I am WHOLE AND COMPLETE ALREADY! And I need nothing to FIX me, because I am not broken. My eyes may be closed according to some religions, but they seem to be pretty darn open right now, and I discovered that I will also find what I will find. I am strong enough to walk my path and in a way I see fit. So I guess this is a calling to the realization that we are all whole. The teacher is also a phase, a phase you may return to several times in your life, or every other week, but there HAS to remain a sense of self. A sense that you will be fine without them there. I agree that we need discipline. Without discipline we will achieve nothing. There comes a time, though, when you must administer your own discipline to yourself. You come alone, you leave alone. And that is not depressing! That is empowering! We are responsible for ourselves, so get yourself together. Be weary when your teacher becomes your crutch. Be a teacher to someone else, and you may discover you know it all already.
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Rob : One
about 5 hours later
Rob said

There’s a quote on the back of a bible sitting on my shelf, “Let us keep our eyes fixed on that which our faith depends upon from beginning to end” from Hebrews 12.2
To me, that means that we should stay focused on the source…for that is the destination.
The struggle with having a teacher, like you said, is that so often the teacher is pointing at the heavens, and we just keep looking at his finger, lol.
The teacher knows that he is nothing special outside the totality of beingness…and neither are we.
One thing remains though…that wherever and however we are, it’s ALL good ;-)

-Rob

Katya : The waker
about 15 hours later
Katya said

Yeah. Another thing I thought of was the concept of “owing”.

I mean, when are we out of debt? If someone helped you open your eyes, they sort of hold the keys to your sense of repayment.

I find that they are the ones who must have enough awareness and love to understand that payment is somewhat absurd, because who knows, maybe you opened their eyes in the last lifetime..

Rob : One
about 16 hours later
Rob said

They know that it’s more about what we become and less about what we do…
Their teaching happens as a consequence of what they have become….if they teach by some drive of the individual will, then they’re just serving themselves and not really the greater good.
So there really can be no debt…since nothing is spent….student growth is essentially universal gain….contributing to the radiance of the field altogether.

-Rob

Jessica : The Evolutionary Connector - Gaia
about 22 hours later
Jessica said

I hear what you’re saying Katya and I agree with the idea that  we need to be able to trust ourselves and discern. I am still all about having a teacher, well, teachers, more specifically. I also believe in being a teacher. This can all happen at the same time.

I am pleased to know that there will always be people with clarity and guidance to offer and that my development is unending. I know, that no matter how high I get I will always have someone from which to learn. My teachers have all inspired me to become a teacher, to give, to grow, to extend and tap into that well within. I follow a Tao practice so it is a natural process, no one asks me to defer, no one claims any debt. I choose my relationship with my teachers and it is flexible. At the end of the day I face myself and my own heart and I recognize the help that has been given me. I’m pretty sure I benefit more from the appreciation than they do!

So, I essentially agree with you, it depends on how you percieve the concept of a teacher!

Katya : The waker
1 day later
Katya said

Yes, Jessica!

Its all in the perception. In the back of my mind there was this voice that said “you have SO many teachers.” We are sponges if we allow ourselves to be.

I think I am in the same place where you are now - teachers are abundant; we ourselves are teachers, and the key for me is the non-attachment from this abundance..

I think the problem was that I couldnt come back into myself at the end of the day. The practice, the awareness was there somewhere…anywhere but within. Its funny, through the path I walked, I was the creator of my world…but somehow it was so lonely. Ha.

I threw away God as an idealistic concept, and what replaced it was physics, metaphysics, experience of greater things.

Nothing wrong with any of it…except when resentment arose against my teacher - not for any reason but for my disagreement with who he was as a person, how he lived his life - it all confused me. Walk the walk was my complaints…Suddenly the world I discovered through him got tainted…and I think I am collecting all that back into my satchel of experiences to say “i am NOT an experience. i am a world still somewhat unknown to myself. with millions of infinite possibilities.”

I agree about having many teachers. So far, nearly everyone I’ve shared a blog or an other discussion with on this network has taught me something. And its really amazing.

Thank you both for your insights and your willingness to share yourselves.
Its an honor to speak so openly about such htings.

Rainbows,
Katya

2 months later
Herbie said

I'd rather have someone wake me up…

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